xSamWaynex wrote:0T0 wrote:It's clear to see I never went back on any statements in correspondence to you on this subject. I was merely pointing out how laymen (like myself) could go along with the premise that Jones is a PED/Drug cheat, even though the arbitration panel felt the need to made the distinction Jones was not. Their ruling not mine, if it triggers you that much, take it up with them: not me. Also, I never said I believed Jones's "stories". In fact, I said they were irrelevant in determining whether Jones was guilty of being a chronic PED/Drug cheat. The only reason for implying that I believed Jones's stories, would be to ramble on in an unnecessary paragraph in an attempt to distract away from the real issue at hand.
The one thing you consistently omit from your essays, is an answer to my statement about Jones "not" being a chronic PED/Drug cheat with a past history of PED use, due to lack of further evidence. I don't have to answer any of those medical questions. How can a layman like myself answer questions about the reported anomalies in someone's samples? That's why these things are better left to the experts. I'm satisfied with their ruling, and Jones has since fulfilled his obligations: to their satisfaction. You should take up your fight with the UFC/USADA. I definitely don't know the first thing about ED pills, again, I leave that to the experts: like USADA, Jones, gogh and Cormier/you. See what I did there?
Look man anyone with the time and want to do so can go back and look at what you said, and how it changed form one comment to the next. You aren't willing to admit you made a simple mistake. But honestly I don't even care anymore whether or not you are man enough to admit to making a simple mistake. I am not "triggered" by their decision, but if you feel like thinking something which is completely wrong go for it haha. I stayed on topic when conversing about your belief of Jon's story. You had to believe Jon's version of events, because Jon's version of events is what was ruled on by the athletic commission. The AC believed his story and ruled on THAT alone. So YEAH ya did believe his story, as you CONTINUE to cite the ruling by the commission as to why you believe me to not be right.
AGAIN I never claimed myself to be an "expert." I merely CITED experts in the field in question. I asked you not about the **** pills this time around, but about his T/E ratio. Funny enough though you did make a comment about those **** pills that you just admitted to knowing nothing about haha. This past time I asked you to explain how his T/E ratio was so low if in fact he had NOT been a chronic PED user. You say I haven't answered your question about Jones being a chronic PED user? Then allow me to ONCE AGAIN try and get my point across. Please pay attention this time as it will be the THIRD time I have answered this question you claim I have not. It doesn't take a medical expert in the field in question, to be able to read and cite what was stated by actual experts right? Actual anti-doping experts had stated that a man of Jon's age, who did not suffer from any type of hormone imbalance or anything like that, should not have had as low a T/E ratio as Jon did. They also stated that the only time they have ever seen a T/E ratio as low as Jones' at the age that Jones is, was in cases where people had been chronic PED users.
Furthermore, A second test was administered, as the first was deemed "watery", and a second time his T/E ratio came up low. Jon does not suffer from hypogonadism. Jon does not suffer from any known chemical or hormonal imbalance. Those are the things which could medically cause a low T/E ratio. The only other way his T/E ratio could've been as low as it was is if he had been a chronic user of PED's. Even though the anti-doping experts asked for a CIR it was denied as Jon's levels were just barely at the limit and therefore he "passed." That doesn't mean he wasn't a chronic PED user, that just meant that the T/E ratio he had didn't warrant the carbon isotope test (CIR) as the T/E ratio BARELY met the MINIMUM requirements for fighters in his weight class. Mind you there are fighters in his weight class that are MUCH older than Jon who have much lower T/E ratios, and it was their T/E ratios which basically caused Jon to pass because of "grading" on what was essentially a bell curve. Now, the other point I made to you was that ONE pill used primarily for erectile dysfunction would NOT be enough to explain away this low T/E ratio, and yet Jon said that he only took ONE pill. Is this enough circumstantial evidence and logical and rational thought to cause you to question Jon's story yet? Did I answer the question sufficiently enough for you this time? If not just let me know. Like you I am starting to enjoy reading your replies. It helps me remember to be thankful for the intelligence that I have that some people like yourself lack.
I think I understand where you're at, and here's my distinction:
I would consider Justino a fighter with a past history of chronic PED/Drug cheating because she was caught a few different times in her career. But until Jones is flagged again for PEDs, most (or maybe only, I) wouldn't be confident claiming Jones is a chronic PED/Drug cheat, due to the lack of flagged samples from other dates.
I'm sure most of us agree all athletes should abide by the rules set out by their respective sports. Are you/Cormier still claiming Jones has been cheating, ever since, and potentially before USADA took over for the UFC? Let's just hope USADA keeps samples like the IOC's ADA, so that if Jones was/is a chronic PED/Drug cheat, he eventually gets caught somewhere down the line. Either way, I'll still continue to enjoy the fights that come along, and trust that the UFC/USADA will do their jobs.
What I meant about not knowing the first thing about ED pills, was I don't know anything about their formulation, chemical make up or effects. Doesn't mean I was implying Jones didn't try to claim tainted ED pills as an excuse. And it definitely doesn't mean I believe (Jones's) anyone's stories. In fact, that's why I maintain these stories irrelevant. I leave USADA's work to USADA. USADA should be able to caught Jones if he's still at it. Maybe you're arguing on a technicality. What was my mistake I didn't admit to again?