0T0 wrote:Never went back on my statement, I just reiterated my distinction. Anyone can call Jones a PED/Drug cheat, because he was treated as such by USADA, but you butt-hurt haters can't call him a chronic PED/Drug cheat, until further evidence comes to light. You must be smart enough to understand that.
Apparently the arbitration panel ruled his didn't intentionally cheat, but the suspension is what most laymen like us will accept as a punishment for cheating. Your hatred is affecting your basic common-sense, you must have at least that. Again, I'm not back-pedalling or saying anything differently than I have been saying, all along.
Tell us, Bio-chem researcher/hematologist, how many bagels would a 30 year old, 6' 4", 205-230 lbs black male fighter have to consume to test positive for heroine? Should be easy for a guy like you that speaks like an expert on all scientific matters you think pertain to MMA (and Jones in particular). You watch too much Seinfeld.
Obviously you had a long day. Get some sleep, and try again tomorrow...
Maybe you'll have solid evidence by then, let's hope.
You most certainly did go back on your statement. You said that he WAS a PED/Drug cheat, and was even considered one by USADA, but then you said he WASN'T one and WASN'T considered one by USADA. Jesus Christ man how delusional are you anyway?
. Again this isn't caused because of "hatred" this is caused because of his story not matching the verifiable evidence and facts of the situation. You seem to overlook this though, and you do so because of your extremely biased love of Jones. It's that simple. That's why you never comment on any other fighters, or fights until Jon is on a card. That's why you defend Jon so vehemently and call everyone "haters" even when they are using scientific evidence and simple logic based arguments.
I understand what the panel ruled, I am simply telling you that they were wrong on this one. They have been known to be wrong in the past, and they have been known to give high profile fighters more lenient sentences or gloss over findings until after the fight has occurred. Just like they did when they allowed Jones to compete even though he failed a drug test (remember the cocaine?), and should have faced a suspension for doing so. This last time he WAS punished for cheating, and that's not just a laymen's way of looking at the situation, that is what happened. He was popped for two types of estrogen blockers. Those are banned under USADA/WADA, as well as the UFC/Athletic Commission. There's no two ways around it. Whether intentional or not is still under suspicion from a lot of fans of the sport. You seem to have fallen for his bullshit story, and you did so because of your love for the man. He could've said that Ninja's hired by the Yakuza, who were first hired by DC, slipped into his bedroom and dosed him with the banned substances just to make him look bad and to hopefully make the fight never happen so DC could hold onto the belt longer, and you would've been like "I KNEW IT!! I knew it was those damn Ninja's the whole time!!" Any story Jon could've concocted as to how the estrogen blockers got in his system you would've believed wholeheartedly.
Now, as far as your question about the poppy seed bagels, it would honestly depend on rate of digestion, how many actual poppy seeds were on the bagel, and several other factors. It would also show a response for opiates and not actual heroine on the test strip. I simply used heroine as it is a well known opiate. I could've just as easily said Vicodin or something else like that. Also I never claimed to be anything, I simply cited scientists who had made claims based on their own scientific backgrounds and because they had personally tested the sample. See the difference? You just hate that you can't explain away his low T/E ratio. You also hate that I gave a very nuanced and plausible take on what could have happened with the estrogen blockers which differs from Jon's original story. Remember Jon changed his story THREE times during this whole thing. First he said "I don't know what they are talking about." Secondly he blamed a new supplement that he had been taking for being the culprit. After the supplement company gave samples and told USADA to test away, Jon FINALLY gave his THIRD excuse, which was his friend giving him the **** pill. Even though Jon changed his story multiple times, and gave an excuse which was considered laughable when Anderson Silva did it, you STILL take it as though it were gospel. It would be way too easy to just call you an idiot or naive, and while I do think those things played a part in why you believed Jon, I think the biggest part of why you believed Jon's story, no matter how many times it changed and no matter how unbelievable it was, was because of your overall adoration and fandom of JBJ. The simplest answer to all of this is that you are a JBJ fanboy. That's not an insult, that's just an undeniable observation.
Obviously your love for Jon has clouded your good judgement, and there is no real cure for that type of devoted delusion. It's okay I understand. I've been in love before myself. Admittedly never with a man, and never with someone I've never even met, but still I unders...........somewhat understand you.
"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson