0T0 wrote:I was never implying that Jones's suspension for PED cycling substances was a slap on the wrist. USADA decided on the course of action they took, and Jones fulfilled his obligations to their satisfaction I imagine. Maybe there's a few people at USADA, like yourself/Cormier, that still insist Jones has a history of cheating (doping). Connecting all the dots you want, won't replace hard evidence like a few more positive blood samples.
I'm not going to fully explain to you why taking photos with no context can be misleading. Better evidence would be fight images, either stills or video. Jones claims he's added more weight and strength training to his programs. And before he was suspended for the hit and run, Jones was already promising to expect great things from him when he moved to Albuquerque to dedicate more time to his martial arts. I don't believe his physique has changed that drastically, also Jones looked more like the 1st photo in Jones/Cormier 1: which Cormier was accusing Jones of doping.
Jones is the shrimp in a very big but very lean family, hence the nickname "Bones". But those photos you provided can easily fit your/Cormier's narrative as well as Jones's. Is it possible your/Cormier's speculation may be proven to be true somewhere down the road? It's quite possible, but the key word is "proven". Until it's proven that he's a chronic PED cheat, anything you or I, or anyone else say is just speculation/opinion. I'm not saying you're wrong to have those suspicions, but much like Cormier, your bold declaration of Jones being a PED cheat, makes you come off as a hater.
I think Jones is the true #1 P4P, and I even rank Cruz higher than Johnson, but if Jones never fights again: it won't be the end of the world for me. You might rejoice in the streets, but it won't bother me one way or another if he never fought in the UFC or any other promotion again. MMA is/was doing just fine in the absence of top fighters and champs, like Cruz, Jones, Silva, St. Pierre, Rousey, McGregor. And MMA will continue without Jones, Johnson, Cruz, McGregor, etc... So I'm sure they'll be more great fighters and fights to enjoy.
You stated previously that if there was any way the two incidences I posted were connected that he would've gotten a longer sentence by the UFC/USADA/The Athletic Commission. So you actually did imply that the punishment he received was a slap on the wrist by comparison.
The photos I provided were not taken out of context at all. YOU said his physique hadn't changed, and after I posted the pictures you started giving reasons for the change in physique yourself. You can't have it both ways man.
Do you not understand what the words "posit" and "possibly" mean? I told you from the beginning that what I was saying, while being based on scientific evidence, was purely my own opinion of the situation. I also told you that the reason you are unwilling to see it from my perspective is because of your adoration and fandom for JBJ. Go back and reread what I wrote OTO instead of trying to make me come off as some conspiracy theorist. What I said about Jones isn't based on "hate", and the only people that use the term "hater" are people who have no good argument themselves. Instead of proving me wrong with sources of your own, you just call me a "hater." Instead of giving a reasonable explanation for how at least one other estrogen blocker got in his system, which could not be the result of **** pills, you simply call me a "hater" to avoid the argument completely. Instead of explaining how his T/E ratio was so low, you simply call me a "hater." It's pretty damn ridiculous man to be completely honest with you.
Here's the thing man, while I have been commenting on several other fights and fighters since Jones absence from the sport, I haven't seen you doing the same. In fact you started posting again as soon as Jon came back into the picture. When Jon isn't fighting, you're pretty damn silent on pretty much every other fight or fighter. So don't act like Jon doesn't mean anything to you man because we both know that to be a lie. I won't "rejoice in the streets" when Jon stops fighting. In fact the entire time Jon was gone, I didn't even reference the guy. If Jon were to stop fighting I simply wouldn't care one way or the other, but I know for damn sure that YOU abso-fucking-lutely would.
If those 2 incidences were connected Jones WOULD have gotten a longer suspension or potentially banned, that doesn't mean I think he got a slap on the wrist. In the history of sport to date, athletes with similar failed test results, have had lighter and others heavier rulings. Again, that doesn't mean I think Jones got a slap on wrist.
Video of Jones squaring off to receive the refs final instructions would probably be the best visual evidence to present, to us laymen. But there's a problem with using photos with no context like a time stamp or other information like his training, whether he was in camp, between camps, weight cutting, etc. The problem is all these unanswered questions those photos (stills) create. And that's why ADAs around the world don't regard stills of athletes' physiques as evidence. USADA went with the only evidence they needed, the only evidence relevant: urine, blood and hair.
I wasn't making excuses for Jones's change in physique, I was simply stating Jones's narrative, which could be just as true as your/Cormier's narrative of Jones being a chronic PED cheat. Of course Jones's physique has changed, but I maintain that Jones's physique hasn't changed "that drastically". Then again, maybe the change in Jones's physique, for his particular build, is significant enough to make someone suspicious, but it still doesn't bring us any closer to finding out if Jones cheated in the past or is cheating to this very day. More evidence would be a help.
I don't have to explain what or why banned chemicals were in Jones's system, or why Jones's hormones were out of whack, or any of the other anomalies flagged from Jones's samples. My explanation, or anyone else's (including Jones's), has no real significance in determining the truth. I believe only video (of Jones in the act), or physical evidence (PED/Drug paraphernalia), could prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the reasonable suspicion that you/Cormier have of Jones being guilty of PED/Drug cheating, true or not. As far as USADA is concerned Jones is a PED/Drug cheat, and that's fine enough for a layman like me.
What I have a problem with, is your/Cormier's bold declaration of Jones being a chronic PED cheat. When Cormier's claim was challenged by Jones, Cormier chose not to provide any evidence. If you're going to make a claim, you should be prepared to back it up. Now does that mean, because you/Cormier don't have any evidence that would be of interest to the UFC/USADA that Jones has never cheated in the past? No. Does it mean that if we never get sufficient evidence to prove Jones cheated in the past, that it's unfair to speculate? No. But to make the outlandish claim Jones cheated other times in the past with no requisite evidence, makes you sound, like Cormier: a hater.
I'm not going to really touch on your last paragraph, because it has little to do with the topics at hand, and more to do with your frustration. I'm on this particular forum everyday, unfortunately, and I usually have a separate browser window opened, with multiple MMAshare and MMA/combat sport tabs open. Guess you'll just have to take my word for it. But if you don't want to, that's more than fine also: because anyone can see when you or I joined the forum, our post count, what threads we posted on, read our past posts, or see when we're actually online; that's all I have to say.
One last thing, Cormier has every right to hate on Jones (or any other opponent), and do or say any outlandish thing he's thinking (like claiming Jones is a chronic PED cheat that has cheated in the past) to get under his opponent's skin, especially considering their (Cormier and Jones's) personal history, what's your excuse?
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